NO Compilation Packs

[MrMDK]

Period.

If someone asks for one, or tries to post one, use the Report button on the post.

Edit Pack stealing is not condoned here no matter how you want to try and spin it. A few hours of organizing does not mean it's ok to steal hundreds of hours of other people's work for your own glory.

[Andy_Mayhem]

Booooooo

I'm still for it

[drcat123]

i call it the justice for all save for a reason

because i giving everybody justice by not having to do the work

i give credit with it and that being said
there should be no problem
it is free to everyone and i charge nothing for my work either and they did not have to get it .
but if they want
i am more than willing to send it to them because everyone needs to get in on the fun
i am sorry but here in america sales matters alot and my save makes people buy the game
then my work is done.
maybe this save will help bring another one to america

besides it is up to over a 100 people now

[Higher Power]

It is not welcome here. Period. Continued posting about it will get your account deleted.

This is your only warning.

[thqaki]

I'm brand new to the boards, and also to the FP series, so I feel my opinion might matter a bit since you're discussing "new people coming in"... I definitely think that "best of" edit packs would be a great asset for new people, because eventually I'm just going to end up making my own "superpack" anyways, with the things I want on it (rings, wrestlers, etc), so starting off with something like that from the start would make a "noobs" experience a lot easier from the start. I bought the game and a brand new AR Max for under 50 bucks total, and am looking to be doing a lot of this edit packing in the next few weeks, so there's my 2 cents. I'm not trying to start trouble, so don't think I was. I just wanted to get a differing opinion out there.

My copy and AR Max are both in the mail, so once I start playing you'll be sure to see me posting more regularly.

[Kreutz]

Y'know, if the authors of a few of these packs got together and released a bit of a sampler pack, that could really beat these pirates to the market. A lot of the edits overlap anyways. I've seen at least 5 versions of Rob Van Dam, for instance. If they could decide on one version per wrestler*, and take out the edits of pre-existing wrestlers, they could probably fit the majority of the edits onto one pack. Call it the FPC Sampler or something along those lines. That way, people wouldn't have to play the download shuffle and the authors could get publicity for their own edit packs, if the user wanted more luchas, for instance.

*This part would require quite a bit of diplomacy, and I imagine is the reason why there isn't a sanctioned compilation pack already.

[Monitor]

Y'know, if the authors of a few of these packs got together and released a bit of a sampler pack, that could really beat these pirates to the market. A lot of the edits overlap anyways. I've seen at least 5 versions of Rob Van Dam, for instance. If they could decide on one version per wrestler*, and take out the edits of pre-existing wrestlers, they could probably fit the majority of the edits onto one pack. Call it the FPC Sampler or something along those lines. That way, people wouldn't have to play the download shuffle and the authors could get publicity for their own edit packs, if the user wanted more luchas, for instance.

*This part would require quite a bit of diplomacy, and I imagine is the reason why there isn't a sanctioned compilation pack already.

The problem is that not all edit creators design their packs the same way. The edits they release are geared to work well with each other, but that doesn't mean they will work well with someone elses edit pack.

So you have to get the creators on the same page, against each other, as well as decide on who is doing which edit.

I understand it is easier to just donwload ONE save and be done with it. It's just not going to happen in any fair way without the generous people who have already provided edits for everyone having to go through even MORE work than they already have.

Let's not think about what we want for a second, and think about what they have already done.

[Senator]

Along with what Monitor said, I'd say it's much better to have variety, heck, with five different RVD edits comes five different interpretations and styles. Better to have the choices avaliable, than for everyone to just use one version.

And the re-edits of the pre-existing edits are a big part of my pack, as Spike, as marvelous as they are, did an awful job with AI, overall.

Compilation packs might be convienent for many, but they're also pure concentrated trouble. I've said it before, edits from different people rarely "get along nicely." They tick off edit makers, and have killed communities in the past. It does not take that much effort to combine saves, certainly less than it takes to make them in the first place.

Finally, I think this stuff would annoy me much less if the people putting these together would have enough tact to satisfy the edit makers they're stealing from, and actually try to fit in the community, instead of trying to justify practices that are frowned upon by the vast majority of the vets and edit makers. Us vets are more than happy to help people put packs together, or download them, or especially, make their own edits. EVERY time someone wants to make and distribute one of these packs, they go off on a self-righteous streak, stick their name on top of the thing, and talk about what a favor they're doing, while refusing to take the effort to ask the creators for their permission. That is why this stuff irks me.

[scrhkb]

Bravo sir, bravo indeed.

[orochigeese]

Finally, I think this stuff would annoy me much less if the people putting these together would have enough tact to satisfy the edit makers they're stealing from, and actually try to fit in the community, instead of trying to justify practices that are frowned upon by the vast majority of the vets and edit makers. Us vets are more than happy to help people put packs together, or download them, or especially, make their own edits. EVERY time someone wants to make and distribute one of these packs, they go off on a self-righteous streak, stick their name on top of the thing, and talk about what a favor they're doing, while refusing to take the effort to ask the creators for their permission. That is why this stuff irks me.

Well said.

[Monitor]

Finally, I think this stuff would annoy me much less if the people putting these together would have enough tact to satisfy the edit makers they're stealing from, and actually try to fit in the community, instead of trying to justify practices that are frowned upon by the vast majority of the vets and edit makers. Us vets are more than happy to help people put packs together, or download them, or especially, make their own edits. EVERY time someone wants to make and distribute one of these packs, they go off on a self-righteous streak, stick their name on top of the thing, and talk about what a favor they're doing, while refusing to take the effort to ask the creators for their permission. That is why this stuff irks me.

Well said.

I think we need to just ignore the guy who is doing this. I know I'm not going to answer any of his questions anymore. Not as drcat 123, drcat 125 or rjustice123.

We made our feelings known to him, and everyone can read it in the thread if they care. If we keep harping on it, it makes us look more unreasonable, bumps his topic up, and generally feeds into his seeking attention. He's trying to put the bad mouth on me now. Let him. I'll stand on my actions, rather than his accusations.

A month from now, he'll be gone. We'll still be here.

He can call me 'Don' all he wants, or anything else that he feels like. In the end, this whole thing is going to be an insignifigant moment in a long and lusterous franchise.

He has already submitted an FAQ to caw.ws (Which since it has actual grammer in it has the paranoid in me thinking he didn't write it)

Let him move there. Once his 'popularity' for the compiled save fades, he'll probably try to regain some self-worth there.

Let him move there.

[scrhkb]

I say we burn him!!!


What? To arcane? Fine...

[MrMDK]

Justice for All? WTF kind of bullshit is that? You're an idiot with no class and no respect.

Did you miss what I posted in the original post? Here, i'll say it again...

Edit Pack stealing is not condoned here no matter how you want to try and spin it. A few hours of organizing does not mean it's ok to steal hundreds of hours of other people's work for your own glory.

What you're calling "my work" isn't work at all. You fucking idiot. Edit packs are posted with the intent to be downloaded by other users and used in the game. That's it. They are not intended to be combined with other packs, they aren't intended to be combined and then re-released as someone else's work. It's stealing, get over yourself and realize you're wrong.

If you want some glory for yourself, do some work. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

This is NOT a comp-pack debate thread, this is simply a "hey, pay attention to this rule" thread. I shouldn't have to lock these critical threads to keep them from being used for nonsense.

[Robschina]

Would it be possible to just post a rosterpack americanized instead of having to create a base save in slot one and then having to manually move wrestlers over one by one through the game. Call me stupid,but I tried all this with senator's rosterpack and none of the wrestlers showed up in the game. I thought I read somewhere that u have to assign the edited wrestlers to a new organization or something like that. Now I'm guessing that this might be alot of work, but if someone could do this I think it woud make life alot easier for someone who wants to enjoy this great game but just does not fully understand, or quite frankly know enough about wrestling to organize all the wrestlers to their specific organizations. Hope this all makes sense! Thanx

[Stigma]

This question's been answered a million times but when you import a wrestler into your save they go into the retired (hidden) section and need to be put somewhere active so you can use them. I'm sure it can be a pain when you don't know who goes where, so either be lazy and just throw them all over or make yourself a nice research project figuring out where people need to be.

To be more on-topic here...

I agree with the general consensus that people shouldn't create compilation packs and call them their own. Though I wouldn't see a problem with a poll thread where people explain what their personal setup is.

An example would be: "I like so and so's TNA pack, but this other guy's WWE/F pack (due to legends) and I used whats-her-name's MMA pack"

Just to throw out ideas.

[drcat123]

this is america not japan
i know i keep saying that but you just won't hear it
land of free

i have never even once said it was my work
i even send this with ever save

edits maker

1. aheps
2.Phil Parent
3. Senator
4.capt howdy


Rename list
1. MMR

logos
1. phil parent
2. senator (1 of them)

Belts

1. randall justice


organization

1. randall justice

edit companies

1. randall justice



besides you want a save like that
this is for you

i call monitor the don because only about 5 of you sided with him on this topic
i don't really care what you do with my account
big fuckin whoop you close my account
i already got what i wanted it first place
in closing
GOD BLESS AMERICA

[Midnight]

Can you ban him now? Please...

[Monitor]

Can you ban him now? Please...

Sad as I am to say it, I agree.

Although before we do, can I use this power I apparently have to have him beaten with an English textbook?

[SonnyBone]

Yes, you're stealing from others and you have no respect... and THAT'S very American.

Now stop being a worthless dolt.

[KitchenSink79]

I'm imagining MDK and HP exiting to sound of "No Chance in Hell"...

[Andy_Mayhem]

Again its not something I totally agree on, especially since some of the creators put their name for credit in the wrestlers profile. That being said it IS the rule that has been around here for a very long time and we need to respect it. It could be worse, they could not offer any saves what so ever.

[kaktus316]

Period.

If someone asks for one, or tries to post one, use the Report button on the post.

Edit Pack stealing is not condoned here no matter how you want to try and spin it. A few hours of organizing does not mean it's ok to steal hundreds of hours of other people's work for your own glory.

Hell yeah. What a low life sonuva- oh wait we're talkin about a FRICKING VIDEO GAME. And how is it stealing when it didn't cost to save create and save the edits? I mean when we're downloading these packs, isn't it the same thing really? We're being lazy and putting someone else's work onto our systems so we don't have to do . So chill guys and try worrying about real life shit like meeting females and working.

[Trueborn]

The bottom line is: it's a rule. It's been discussed several times over the past two years. It's a rule that's not going to change now regardless.

The issue really isn't stealing, anyway. It's: can you follow a pretty simple rule. Guess not, for some people.

[thqaki]

As an outsider (trying to become an insider [not sure now though]) looking in, I must say this is all very foolish. If people's feelings get hurt because "internet kid198353" stole his "work", then I think there's a bigger problem than just this thread...

So, in closing, dumb rule.

Sorry, I still appreciate everything here, but I couldn't agree less with what this thread is all about.

On a side note, I see all the good work some people are doing over on the Gamefaqs board, like Monitor, really trying to help those who are interested and wanting to learn this engine, but everything I've seen here almost seems like there are people who aren't trying to be anywhere near as receptive.

[orochigeese]

this is america not japan

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